and if we choose to withdraw from the western pacific, we can save a lot of money for a while. >> okay. i have two brief questions. first, let me tell the brief history of myself. my father was in vietnam in 1968, and wounded in july 1968 and my uncle went right to vietnam, 1970, '71, was part of the warlord which is part of the merical, so my father was part of merical, too. so for one, my father died of cancer at 52. i mean, did secretary mcnamara find out about agent orange, and if he did, when and did he do anything about it, and number two, to my uncle who's still alive, he swears every place he went every battle they fought they won. and now, the war was lost, who is to be blamed?